After INDIA loses MIG-21 Fighter jet in DOGFIGHT to PAF JF-17, Questions arise about its VINTAGE military

After INDIA loses MIG-21 Fighter jet in DOGFIGHT to PAF JF-17, Questions arise about its VINTAGE military

India and Pakistan are engaged in an ongoing military confrontation in the disputed Kashmir region and its neighboring provinces; the heightened tensions stem from a suicide car bombing that happened on 14 February 2019.

In the bombing, a militant from Jammu and Kashmir killed 40 Indian Central Reserve Police Force members in Pulwama. The militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed claimed responsibility, while Pakistan’s government condemned the attack and denied any involvement.

Reacting to the suicide attack, the Indian Air Force on 26 February violated the Line of Control (LOC) to conduct what it called “preemptive” aerial strikes that targeted a terrorist training camp and killed several militants.

On the latter day, Pakistan conducted airstrikes in Indian-administered Kashmir which caused no casualties or damage.

Also on 27 February, Pakistan claimed that it had shot down two Indian jets over Pakistani airspace. Pakistan captured one Indian pilot, Abhinandan Varthaman, and he was subsequently released on 1 March as a peace gesture


Pakistan’s triumph in the air against the intruding Indian warplanes was “an inauspicious moment” for India’s military that the United States is banking on to help keep China in check, The New York Times reported on Monday.

“The aerial clash, the first by the South Asian rivals in nearly five decades, was a rare test for the Indian military — and it left observers a bit dumbfounded,” the newspaper said in a dispatch, referring to the downing by the Pakistan Air Force jets of India’s Soviet-supplied MiG-21 in a dogfight inside Pakistani territory on Wednesday.

“While the challenges faced by India’s armed forces are no secret, its loss of a plane last week to a country whose military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was still telling,” the Times correspondent, Maria Abi-Habib, wrote.

The dispatch added, “An Indian Air Force pilot (Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman) found himself in a dogfight with a warplane from the Pakistani Air Force, and ended up a prisoner behind enemy lines for a brief time.

“The pilot made it home in one piece, however, bruised and shaken, but the plane, an aging Soviet-era MiG-21, was less lucky.”

The Times said India’s armed forces were in “alarming shape”.

“If intense warfare broke out tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only 10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates,” it said. “And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered ‘vintage’.”


Gaurav Gogoi, an Indian lawmaker and member of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence, was quoted as saying, “Our troops lack modern equipment, but they have to conduct 21st-century military operations.”

Correspondent Abi-Habib wrote, “American officials tasked with strengthening the alliance (with India) talk about their mission with frustration: a swollen bureaucracy makes arms sales and joint training exercises cumbersome; Indian forces are vastly underfunded; and the country’s navy, army, and air force tend to compete rather than work together.”

“Whatever the problems, the United States is determined to make the country a key ally in the coming years to hedge against China’s growing regional ambition.”

The American military, according to the dispatch, began prioritizing its alliance with India as its close relationship with Pakistan soured over the last two decades. United States officials say that Pakistan is not doing enough to fight terrorism, a charge the country denies.

In just a decade, the Times said, United States arms sales to India have gone from nearly zero to $15 billion. “But Pakistan can still draw on a powerful American-supplied arsenal,” it added, without elaborating.

China has significantly outpaced its rival, creating a robust and taxable middle class. China’s economic boom has allowed it to invest aggressively in buying top military hardware and producing it at home.

As the world’s conflicts are increasingly fought with state-of-the-art weaponry rather than the large invading armies of the past, India is falling behind. Despite being the fifth-largest military spender, only about a quarter of its military budget this year will purchase new equipment.

Although the purchase of military hardware is a slow-moving process in most countries, in India it moves even more sluggishly amid a swollen bureaucracy.

There are also concerns about corruption.

Modi is currently being grilled by the opposition over a murky $8.9 billion deal to buy 36 Rafale fighter planes from France. His political opponents have cast the agreement as corrupt in an effort to discredit him ahead of elections.

The purchase will help India replace its aging fleet of MiG-21s and other jets. And on Saturday, the prime minister tried to turn the tables on the opposition, saying India would have fared better in its skirmish with Pakistan last week if it had had the Rafale jets.

“The country has felt the shortage of Rafale,” Modi said.

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  1. Sreedhar Radhakrishna

    The problem is, that both jets fell inside Pak occupied Kashmir. As usual there was a massive cover up by the Pakistanis about the loss of the F16, to avoid embarrassment. Because it was downed by a Vintage IAF Mig 21.
    But I see that in these forum, nobody wants to acknowledge the loss of F16, as it affects the market.
    So, There is a very biased view about IAF and all opinions are in favour of Pakistan.
    Any, it doesn’t matter.
    On that day 27th February, 8 F16 s simultaneously attached 2 SU 30. So it takes some time to successfully dodge the Aim120 missiles and then attack back. But the Mig21s surprised the PAF by appearing suddenly and taking out 1 F16. In the fight, India also lost 1 Mig21s
    Had the battle continued for a few more minutes, then PAF would have definitely lost more jets.
    The balance 23 jets of the PAF retreated.
    IAF has provided the proof from it’s Radar images and electronic signatures and also acknowledged the loss of its aircraft.
    IAF is a highly professional AF. Remember the 9:1 kill ratio against the USAf in Cope thunder 2004 & 5.

    • Of course there is always massive cover up by “other sides” as innocent Indians are always caught with their legs open. The only way to “prove” f16 loss is to “acknowledge ” f16 loss.
      As it is the other side’s duty to open the sites to the world , but India can’t provide any video footage or radar, radio data because it is “classified “.
      Cute little Indian with naive little demands.

      • Why should India provide proof to any country. India buys it’s arms and weapons with it’s hard earned money. There is no obligation for India to provide proof.
        But, yes. Pakistan has to provide proof, because it fights India with borrowed or weapons gifted by other countries. The gifts come with lots of pre conditions. So Pakistan is indeed obligated to provide proof. So, it will cover up its losses.

        • Since when how other courtiers buy or borrow weapons became business of India?

          Hard earned money? You mean the money your exported people send working outside of that country which people leaves in droves?

          It is India who is obligated to give proof what they have been doing with borrowed & loaned money as now it is proved their GDP number is fake.

    • Just pack of fat lies

      • You don’t have courage to face truth all the world is laying about Indian two planes hit that’s what you mean and don’t bother about Mg21 market. What about abaynadan interview to India media watch you tube asshol

  2. Why should India provide proof to any country. India buys it’s arms and weapons with it’s hard earned money. There is no obligation for India to provide proof.
    But, yes. Pakistan has to provide proof, because it fights India with borrowed or weapons gifted by other countries. The gifts come with lots of pre conditions. So Pakistan is indeed obligated to provide proof. So, it will cover up its losses.

    • Lol we provided the prove which Indian jets we downed then it is your turn to prove you have downed F16. otherwise you Indian take morning & evening Cow’s Urine & filthydumb.

  3. Don’t know about Pakistan airforce strength but it’s supporter strength among western media is quite strong. They will write all the shit that pakistan do. Look at this article….they will not tell you that F16 which is 4th gen fighter is fucked up by Indian mig21 which is a 3rd gen fighter. India tossed its fighters into highest alerted Pakistan Military and they Dodge it and entered 100 km into their ass and did ejaculate on terrorist hideout. Next day Pakistani dicks also wanted to do the same but only manage to just enter along the border…..and run away with a brusted ball…..but US keep mum because it was given by them and their pants were pull down by idiot pakistani pilots all accross the world…..poor F16s

    • Aha, Mahabharata Ramayana story in full force. After sleeping with American dad now little Indians crying a river here.

      The truth is you entered our country, we entered yours . Spared pippin boy’s life. Terrified little Indian was so scared despite keeping their farces at highest level they couldn’t stop us from humping them in broad daylight.

      Can’t tell about others, but little Indians with their cute little Ramayana stories are second to none.

  4. Dumb fuck Indians… just like their PM who thought cloud cover gives an advantage to them as Radars wont catch Indian Jets due to cloud…?… busted pussies… a failed AirForce that has the highest average of crashes 700+ in 20years… WOWthink they can claim shoot down a PAF F-16 and world will acknowledge it whereas they have constantly failed to provide any proof, if so PAF can claim it shot down the whole squadron but since it fell inside Indian territory so they can’t and doesn’t need to provide the proof but it has to be acknowledged…. go fuck yourself

    • Sreedhar Radhakrishna

      I suggest that Pakistan in the first place buys it’s armaments with it’s own money.
      700 crashes or 1000 crashes of the IAF is not your fucking problem. It’s our wish, what we fight with.
      So make your country strong enough, so that your government and military don’t beg in the outside world to donate free armaments. USA has taken out all aid because you took their money to support them fight terrorists opposed to them. But you used their money to support and protect Osama bin Laden. You used their money to manufacture more terrorists and send them into Kashmir, because you bloody military cannot win a direct war with India.
      Now you are selling yourselves to China. But you didn’t spare them too. China invested so much in your country. But what you gave them back was to train the Uighur terrorists , so that they could kill miam innocent Chinese citizens.
      If you can do this to your close friend, then God save your country.
      So, you bloody set your own house in order first.

      • A country that buys all of its weapons from begging others with fake GDP numbers don’t deserve to tell others what others should do.

        Direct war? What a joke India is. Last time we entered India, we occupied Kargil for so long your terrified armed forced had to send 5:1 ratio amount of soldiers.

        Selling ourselves to China? This is coming from a country which is a global wh0r3 , to feel secure its hide behind America, Russia, Israel.

        Your bloody airmy (not worthy of calling army ( is only hot air out of their backside.

        Yes , we are terrorists , and you are cute little terrorized people. There is only 1 class of people who can kill Americans in their own backyard. And that’s not certainty little Indians.

  5. Hence the above gentleman man proves Pakistan is a terrorist nation really sick and inhumane people people like you are a shame to your religion and planet Earth time has come for massive extermination wait and watch u fool

  6. Its time to mass exterminate all lingam sucker suwar, wait & watch all randian suwar, soon all hindu haggus will be mass massacred & all veggie neck will be broken.

  7. Well done Indians for being too much optimistic that you have downed pakistani F-16. Happy to see indians happy ?

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